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    I voted for DT but

    I'm regretting not voting third party more every week.

    The police in this nation are over militarized now.
    They are not soldiers nor have the need for military equipment, armor, not military heavy weapons.

    Thank you Jeff Sessions and D T for nothing.
    If I wanted to live in a police state, communist or otherwise I'd have voted for Hillary.


    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ipment-report#
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Well.....don't swallow all the bullsheite you read in the "news".


    Edit: The only thing that voting 3rd party could have netted you would be Hillary for president.....I believe you made the right choice.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    I for one like having armor in the off chance someone tries to stab me or shoot me. Like last night when I was chasing three armed robbery suspects. But I'm a little selfish I guess

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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Quote Originally Posted by brojohn View Post
    Well.....don't swallow all the bullsheite you read in the "news".
    Normally I don't but this seems pretty straight forward and right up Sessions alley to push for.
    If it's fake news, which I doubt this time, then I'll reconsider. If not then I really can't see much difference in which party is violating the COTUS and building a domestic army of LEAs and equipping them as such to make it easier for them to rip the BOR to shreds ala Waco, Ruby Ridge, Bundy Ranch and Katrina to name just a few.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    I can assure you.....Jeff Sessions will never, ever violate the Constitution. Nor would he knowingly deny any citizen his constitutional rights.
    If you have a source for information that says otherwise- then your source is bogus.
    DT?.....I do not know for sure,....... but so far he is aiming fairly straight.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    For obvious reasons, I moved the thread from General Chat to Political Discussions. That's the closest thing we have to "After School Behind the Gym."
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I for one like having armor in the off chance someone tries to stab me or shoot me. Like last night when I was chasing three armed robbery suspects. But I'm a little selfish I guess

    John, not talking about body armor.

    But when SWAT was developed we were told they would only be used in the most serious of situations.
    Tightly controlled and scrutinized.

    Now they are deployed on drug war silliness, no knock warrants constantly.
    In other words we told alot of BS to over come resistance to SWAT development by the public.


    By armor I mean MRAPs, etc.
    Drones, etc.
    If a situation devolves to police needing military armored vehicles and heavy weapons it's beyond LE S training to deal with.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Quote Originally Posted by brojohn View Post
    I can assure you.....Jeff Sessions will never, ever violate the Constitution. Nor would he knowingly deny any citizen his constitutional rights.
    If you have a source for information that says otherwise- then your source is bogus.
    DT?.....I do not know for sure,....... but so far he is aiming fairly straight.
    Sessions is a reefer madness believing elf.
    As far as violating rights he just finished sitting on his hands while judge Navarro violated every conditional protection the defendants in the latest Bundy ranch trial had. Instead of ordering fed prosecutors to drop the trumped up charges they haven't been able to get a conviction in three attempts counting oregon. Despite a blatantly biased judge.
    And gave his blessing to try the same two men a third time, on the same junk charges. I guess he will keep trying them over and over until the Fed gets the verdict it wants.

    He is in a position to uphold the cotus in those and related cases. So far he isn't.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    I work mostly on the complete opposite side of the department. I'm not a tackle berry guy. I see a lot of warrants being served that are way over the top with explosive breaches and the likes.

    But I do think there is a time and a place for some of the equipment. Unfortunately by the time the equipment gets there, the uniform guys usually have it under control.

    Although I have been pushing hard to get a drone. Would work out wonderfully to fly over my crash scenes to photograph evidence for reconstruction purposes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I work mostly on the complete opposite side of the department. I'm not a tackle berry guy. I see a lot of warrants being served that are way over the top with explosive breaches and the likes.

    But I do think there is a time and a place for some of the equipment. Unfortunately by the time the equipment gets there, the uniform guys usually have it under control.

    Although I have been pushing hard to get a drone. Would work out wonderfully to fly over my crash scenes to photograph evidence for reconstruction purposes!
    If that drone you want would only be used for that it would be fine.

    But though you would only use it for that we both know others will use them in as you say over the top illegal ways. Give an inch lose a mile as usual.

    I was OK with police having military bomb disposal robots to establish communications etc.

    Then Dallas pd did something incredibly dumb and dangerous using one to detonate a bomb to kill a suspect.

    NYPD decades before learned the folly of dropping a bomb from a helicopter to kill a suspect, and burned down half a city block in their ignorance of how dangerous it is to even use breaching explosives with no knowledge or care of what else is around to turn their "tactile "charge into a much larger explosion.
    Now I'm a form supporter of removing those robots after LE demonstrated gross carelessness in Dallas using one and claim they will do so again.

    In a nut shell sort of its not for example you wanting aerial shots of an accident that's dangerous

    It's when some other dept chief decided to fly one loaded with a bomb thru a buildings window in some building with bad gas plumbing and blows up half of a block of innocent people.
    Plus heavy armor by your own words isn't needed because uniform le have the situation over with without it.
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    I'm torn on the subject. On one hand, LE needs more equipment and capability these days. The money the criminals have combined with the relative ease they obtain weapons and technology (because they are both cheap for anyone to get these days) means the day's of Andy Griffith letting Don Knots carry one bullet but not load it are pretty much done.

    At the same time, nobody wants to live in a police state. The problem is that, at least it feels to me, things have gotten so dangerous out there on the streets that without the police state, we'd have New Orleans style Katrina meltdowns happening everywhere. So many people out there have devolved to a point where they are simply one step above animals on the evolutionary ladder. They're cruel, selfish, and have no care for anyone else around. On the whole, too many of us only look for a way to take advantage of each other. There's very little compassion for each other now. It's led to things being very dangerous, and the police state is what keeps things in check.

    II Timothy 3:1-"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them." It is definitely coming true.

    II Peter 3:3-4-"First, I want to remind you that in the last days there will come scoffers who will do every wrong they can think of, and laugh at the truth." This one is definitely coming true too.

    Personally, I'd support legalizing recreational drug use. Not because I want to get high, but because I think it's a losing fight and legalizing it would take all the profit out of the criminal side. Take away their money, and they have no resources. I think it would make the criminals less dangerous.

    As for DT - I voted for him. I think he's trying as hard as he can to follow through on his campaign promises, but he's being undermined by every "establishment" congressman and senator, Republicans and Democrats alike. I do wish he'd learn to put the twitter account down and keep his mouth shut more in response to all the bullshit they and the press constantly throw at him. Proverbs 17:28-Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues.

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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost1958 View Post
    I'm regretting not voting third party more every week.

    The police in this nation are over militarized now.
    They are not soldiers nor have the need for military equipment, armor, not military heavy weapons.

    Thank you Jeff Sessions and D T for nothing.
    If I wanted to live in a police state, communist or otherwise I'd have voted for Hillary.


    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ipment-report#
    Well if you would have voted third party you and others would have Hillery, and a LEFT leaning Supreme Court. You could stand in line and register your guns, one way or another she would make it a requirement. As far as the SCOTUS getting two more hard socialists, you might as well throw the Constitution out the window.

    Don't worry, you will get your wish. The Republican party is self-destructing right before our eyes. Not fake news but from the day Trump ran for election the hard line politicians were out to take him down. Their actions have shown the American people they don't care a hoot about "The People" and their actions will bring down the party if they continue this destructive path.

    I like Donald Trump, but he is mostly alone, swimming in a sea of bureaucratic slime balls who control this soon to be the socialist country of ours. Once this comes about you can forget the militarization of local law enforcement, The feds will be in your town armed and you will bow your head to them just as the world does now under their rule. You could even be under Shera law by that time....food for thought.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald Carstairs View Post
    Well if you would have voted third party you and others would have Hillery, and a LEFT leaning Supreme Court. You could stand in line and register your guns, one way or another she would make it a requirement. As far as the SCOTUS getting two more hard socialists, you might as well throw the Constitution out the window.

    Don't worry, you will get your wish. The Republican party is self-destructing right before our eyes. Not fake news but from the day Trump ran for election the hard line politicians were out to take him down. Their actions have shown the American people they don't care a hoot about "The People" and their actions will bring down the party if they continue this destructive path.

    I like Donald Trump, but he is mostly alone, swimming in a sea of bureaucratic slime balls who control this soon to be the socialist country of ours. Once this comes about you can forget the militarization of local law enforcement, The feds will be in your town armed and you will bow your head to them just as the world does now under their rule. You could even be under Shera law by that time....food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald Carstairs View Post
    Well if you would have voted third party you and others would have Hillery, and a LEFT leaning Supreme Court. You could stand in line and register your guns, one way or another she would make it a requirement. As far as the SCOTUS getting two more hard socialists, you might as well throw the Constitution out the window.

    Don't worry, you will get your wish. The Republican party is self-destructing right before our eyes. Not fake news but from the day Trump ran for election the hard line politicians were out to take him down. Their actions have shown the American people they don't care a hoot about "The People" and their actions will bring down the party if they continue this destructive path.

    I like Donald Trump, but he is mostly alone, swimming in a sea of bureaucratic slime balls who control this soon to be the socialist country of ours. Once this comes about you can forget the militarization of local law enforcement, The feds will be in your town armed and you will bow your head to them just as the world does now under their rule. You could even be under Shera law by that time....food for thought.
    All due respect, you can bow if you wish.

    I will not be disarmed in my lifetime and know many others who will not.

    Yep Hillary would be a disaster.
    Which is why I voted for DT.

    But. The police do not operate in the same universe as actual military.

    They do NOT need tracked armor, grenade launchers or 50 cal ammo. Or drones they can weaponize etc.

    The citizenry was intended to be armed on par with our gov.
    While that is out of public's reach mostly as far as the military the gov DT. Sessions Republicans and Dems want to now build a domestic LE army.

    Ever wonder why cuz it ain't to protect the public as proven time and again in just recent history.

    There is some food for thought.
    Any President or official who wants to militarize a force thats existence isn't even in the COTUS isn't a friend of liberty or freedom.

    Any President not just this one.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Ghost, I don't think there will be any future Presidents that will qualify for your vote. Just sayin'
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald Carstairs View Post
    Ghost, I don't think there will be any future Presidents that will qualify for your vote. Just sayin'
    Lol.
    There haven't been any past ones for a good while I haven't held my nose when voting.
    Base problem is the Fed it's agency's and officers , most states , and alot of LEAs city Fed and state, have ripped the bor to shreds long ago. Under control of both major parties.a
    And the majority of both parties want complete control of the population.

    Any official wishing to arm those entitys with heavy military hardware is pushing toward that goal.

    One of my reps, Rand Paul has stated he will push legislation to stop this insanity of arming cops like soldiers. Thank goodness for one.
    I'll be hammering my other reps to do the same.

    Anyone not wanting to have to actually physically fight a war to prevent being taken over by a police state I suggest do the same.

    Police have no need even for 50 caliber weapons much less tracked armor and the rest of it to do the job of law enforcement.
    If they feel they do they should change professions.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Sort of makes you long for the days of Millard Fillmore, doesn't it? And the the constitutional powers of the presidency haven't changed....at least on paper.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    I have never argued your talking points. Just the reality of the system. My feeling by voting right is it may slow down the cancer.
    I screwed up when I followed my heart and voted for Ross Perot, thus giving Bill Clinton a shoe in.

    Please don't regret voting conservative, that's all we have. I don't see a rosy future for us.
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    Re: I voted for DT but

    Disagree that voting 3rd party was a vote for Hillary. If the country simply elected Presidents on majority vote, then yes, a third party vote could elect Hillary. Having said that if one lives in a swing state then vote for who you want. In my case, my state hasn't given it's electoral votes to a Dem since the 1960's. I voted 3rd party with confidence that Trump was going to win the state anyway.

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    Re: I voted for DT but

    3rd party has never won an election....but they have ALWAYS drawn votes from the conservative candidate....sometimes enough votes to give the win to the liberals- see Reginal Carstaris' statement above...
    Choosing not to vote has the same effect.
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