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    Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    Hi Y'all, I picked up a firestorm a couple days ago and took it for the maiden voyage... bad news

    Every round (first through Nth) nosedives out of any of the magazines I have (from CC and combat models, aftermarket, both with metal/plastic followers).

    Investigating closely, I noticed a burr on the feedramp. The jacket of the fiocchi .380 I was shooting was getting caught on this causing the pistol to fail to go into battery.

    Photos: https://imgur.com/a/RnH3DBH

    Didn't matter whether I used the slide release or slingshotted it, still got hung up on the burr.

    Hangs up so bad that if I rap the slide home I get setback on the jacket and had to toss those rounds.

    I'd hate to send a new firearm in for warranty service and possibly get a non-factory quality job, and/or unmatched serial numbers.

    Pressing out this barrel and polishing the ramp would probably do the trick.

    1) How hard is it to press out a bersa barrel? Could it be done with an arbor press?

    2) How to polish this burr off in situ without affecting the alloy frame?

    I'm about an 8/10 in the gunsmithing department and have some tools, polishing compound, sandpaper, etc.

    Thanks
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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    Sorry to hear your troubles. Pressing out and returning the barrel is most certainly a job for a warranty center. (the alloy frame could be damaged by improper tools and an inexperienced gunsmith)

    Look here for warranty center repairs.

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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    Try this before you send it in. That barrel and chamber have A LOT of the shipping goo that has hardened on the ramp and in the chamber. See if using some non-carbonated brake cleaner and vigorous rubbing with a nylon brush or even a tooth brush will cure your problem. By the way, welcome to the forum. Lots of good advice here from some long time Bersa users.
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    So that's not shipping goo, it's powder. I managed to put several hundred rounds through it by hammering on the back of the slide to get it into battery :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollyb View Post
    Sorry to hear your troubles. Pressing out and returning the barrel is most certainly a job for a warranty center. (the alloy frame could be damaged by improper tools and an inexperienced gunsmith)

    Look here for warranty center repairs.

    Or contact Wolfgang (ad at the top of the page) with questions.

    good luck jab
    I'm not inexperienced. I've disassembled/reassembled at least 10 different handguns down to pins/springs. I've built rifles. About all I haven't done is build an AK from scratch or forge my own parts, but that's only for lack of tools.

    Assuming I don't press out the barrel, how to go about smoothing out the feedramp?

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    Michael T., the late founder of this forum, called me a "jinx" when it came to pistols, so I'd send it to a warranty center to get it fixed.
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    Seeing that it's brand new, I'm thinking pretty lowly of Bersa at the moment. I wrote their corporate center and they told me the same thing. Pretty weak customer service to have to send it in on my dime.

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    I am impatient and, as it turns out, lucky.

    Using very small files, and going very slowly, I was able to straighten out the front of the barrel lip to eliminate the jagged burr.

    I then lightly sanded the ramp and barrel lip with high grit sandpaper and buffed it with a dremel/ polishing compound.

    The end result is that the gun now freely accepts FMJ and JHP rounds.

    Will hit the range this weekend and we'll see how she does.

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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    A much better approach than pressing out the barrel. Please update after your range trip.

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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    Quote Originally Posted by gonegun View Post
    I am impatient and, as it turns out, lucky.

    Using very small files, and going very slowly, I was able to straighten out the front of the barrel lip to eliminate the jagged burr.

    I then lightly sanded the ramp and barrel lip with high grit sandpaper and buffed it with a Dremel/ polishing compound.

    The end result is that the gun now freely accepts FMJ and JHP rounds.

    Will hit the range this weekend and we'll see how she does.
    Could you do our membership a favor? The original post you included a photo of the burr. Would you be kind enough to do a close up macro photo of your smithing work on this pistol? Yes, we are interested in the range report but a photo of the work done before you test it is vital to this thread.
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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    Quote Originally Posted by Reginald Carstairs View Post
    Could you do our membership a favor? The original post you included a photo of the burr. Would you be kind enough to do a close up macro photo of your smithing work on this pistol? Yes, we are interested in the range report but a photo of the work done before you test it is vital to this thread.
    You bet: https://imgur.com/a/s0B3aOh

    However calling it "smithing" is very generous. I am not a trained gunsmith. THESE PHOTOS ARE FOR ENTERTAINMENT/INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU BLOW UP YOUR GUN AND/OR INJURE YOURSELF BY ATTEMPTING TO DO THIS AND/OR ANY SIMILAR MODIFICATIONS.


    The burr was on the right hand side of the barrel lip in the downrange direction. You can see frame is lightly filed transverse of the bore. That was unavoidable because I had to file the very bottom of the barrel lip to get it square and it rests on the frame.. The only way to avoid marking up the frame would have been to remove the barrel and work on it separately.


    The ramp and mouth of the bore are polished to a mirror finish, which at least looks a little bit better.

    I don't think this will have any effect on the structural integrity of the pistol, but as I noted above, I'm not a gunsmith. I don't have .380 snap caps so I was using live ammo for testing. Lol.

    The .380 rounds seat in the barrel just fine with only minor wiggle, so I don't think the headspacing is affected. The wiggle/seating (not technical terms) seems to be exactly the same in this Firestorm as it is in my .380CC.

    So DO NOT try this!

    I've said so much already, and I know it's a $250 pistol -- but Bersa should be ashamed to let things like this past their QC.

    Here is a comparison image BEFORE/ AFTER: https://i.imgur.com/kCZvtXK.png
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    https://youtu.be/Wz_DNrKVrQ8

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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

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    https://youtu.be/Wz_DNrKVrQ8

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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    Anyone want to explain to him what just happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHMadness View Post
    Anyone want to explain to him what just happened?

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    Well I saw your many posts advising against feed ramp polishing while researching this extensively before doing it.

    https://www.bersachat.com/forums/sho...amp-on-a-Bersa
    http://www.bersachat.com/forums/show...sh-a-feed-ramp
    http://www.bersachat.com/forums/show...lish-yes-or-no
    https://www.bersachat.com/forums/sho...5379-Polishing

    You have a quite memorable avatar. Is that the look you were making while typing out that reply above, inviting others to ridicule/ criticize me?

    If you have something to say then just say it. Try to remember that you don't know my reasons or ability.

    Or maybe you'll allow me to "explain what just happened" -- I did whatever the **** I wanted to my own personal property (of low value, and shoddy manufacture, by the way). Now it feeds reliably.

    Also, you might want to zoom in on the image showing that gigantic burr before you advise "just shoot it out". And if you're advising send it to Wolfgang (as others have done) no thanks. A $250 gun gets the bubba treatment. Something I'd never do on a quality firearm, by the way.

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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    Cool story bro. I invited someone else to explain it as a kindness, as I've been sitting on my hands this whole thread. You were given good advice by people who know these guns well. You didn't heed it, thats fine. Your money. Now, you come and denigrate the brand of firearm that the forum is based on. That stings a little. You beat your chest about your accomplishments and abilities. My 14 year old son has more experience working on guns.
    Go buy a Glock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHMadness View Post
    Cool story bro. I invited someone else to explain it as a kindness, as I've been sitting on my hands this whole thread. You were given good advice by people who know these guns well. You didn't heed it, thats fine. Your money. Now, you come and denigrate the brand of firearm that the forum is based on. That stings a little. You beat your chest about your accomplishments and abilities. My 14 year old son has more experience working on guns.
    Go buy a Glock.

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    So you were just throwing that "invitation" out there out of kindness? Wow, it sure felt like you were chumming the waters. Especially in light of the other posts I linked to where you ganged up on people with similar issues. But I guess we'll never know.

    I went out of my way to post photos in response to Reginald Carstairs request, saying it is "vital" to this thread. Now i'm wondering if it was vital to see what I did so his boys could come along and mock it? Maybe he too was sitting on his hands. There seems to be a high ratio of moderator-to-user posting here in this here little forum.

    If it stings, maybe Bersa should put out a better product? Then again, you're not a shareholder so it only stings because you're a public fanboy. I've owned enough Bersas by this point to know what I'm getting and what I'm willing to go through and not go through to make them work. My time is too valuable to d*ck around with south american ghetto blasters.

    Also, speaking of denigrating, "Go buy a Glock" is a nasty comment, and "My 14 year old son has more experience" -- do you not hear yourself?

    That said, glocks are nice , though not my bag baby, and I'm sure your son is a charming person.

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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    Lol, I really ganged up on some people in both of those threads didn't I? It was savage I tell you what. I think some of them even cried themselves to sleep. Just how many Bersas have you owned? I gather it's been many, since you seem to be well versed in them and what needs to be done to overcome their obvious quality shortcomings. I mean, sure, WE all know they're junk, thats why we've been here talking about them for 15 years. We were hoping the general public wouldn't find out though.
    Yeah, my son is awesome. He's got his eye on going to MIT. He's also getting damned expensive to feed. Both food and ammo.

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    Look man, just heading you off at the pass. Your posting of that Queen video speaks volumes about what was coming next and as I said, I read your history before posting, I don't need to hear it.

    My gun, my choice.

    Regarding Bersa's I've owned and had an ambivalent relationship with, they are: a thunder .380 in matte blue, a 383da, a combat .380, a .380 cc, a firestorm, and a bp9cc. Of the thunder or similar lines, the .380 matte jammed constantly, the 383da had a broken slide release that caused weird ejection issues, the combat exploded due to a squib (possibly ammo related, though the jury is still out), and the firestorm has the BURR issues discussed above. The bp9cc I sold off due to a very light trigger, but it was functional and svelte. The .380cc was flawless in the first ~300 rounds as I noted above. The QC seems much better on that one, by the way -- so one keeper out of what is that, eight?

    I could get into other brands of SA and DA/SA pistols I've owned (brand new and used) and the issues I have generally NOT had with those through thousands and thousands of rounds, through dozens and dozens of handguns, but I'll spare you any embarrassing and potentially irrelevant comparisons (those guns were all more expensive, sometimes orders of magnitude so).

    One thing I can say is that I have NEVER taken a dremel to a gun before. I have NEVER polished a feedramp before, and it's not something I did lightly in this case. As I have now said repeatedly, I did my homework. That's why your somewhat flippant messages stick in my craw.

    You have posted several responses but you are still ducking the issue. That is, WHAT ABOUT THE BURR???

    You are conveniently ignoring the burr photos I posted above. You have not proposed any practical fixes for the gun that is the topic of this post, that nosedives at the base of the feedramp using ball ammo on every single round. Where FMJ gets stuck so bad on the burr that HAMMERING on the back of the slide causes BULLET SETBACK rather than causing the gun to go into battery. I would say that's pathetic but ($250 handgun).

    I don't mind being a dissenting voice on this topic. Here's my philosophy, distilled for you and any future readers encountering this same issue:

    1. If I pay <= $250 on a handgun, I'm not messing with warranty service. Especially if the gun is BRAND SPANKING NEW and the manufacturer forces ME to pick up the tab for shipping. F THAT.

    2. I will use any tools at my disposal to attempt to repair that handgun, without regard to voiding the warranty (lol) or causing cosmetic damage. This is why God made liquid gun blue.

    3. If I can fix the gun, then great. Some internal parts have some wear and the resale value (of $0) of has not been substantially affected. Why $0? Because I can't sell a $250 gun with a burr on the feedramp. If I did sell it, the value would be reduced by the wait time plus the negative shipping costs. Again, I don't have time to d*ck around with this.

    4. If I cannot fix the gun, then I will sell the parts to Numrich and buy another one and hope it wasn't QCed on an a Friday in Bueons Aries.

    Good luck to your son, in all sincerity.

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    Re: Feed ramp burr on brand new Firestorm

    It's your gun and your money. You came and asked what to do. It was good advice. Alright, as to the burr, yes I saw it and never disbelieved it was there. Spending $15 to ship a gun to a warranty center seems like a good idea to me. Yes you can almost always do it for that. Any FFL can ship it USPS on the cheap and almost any of them will, especially if you support their business. Why did I pick that video? You polished off the hard coat anodizing on the ramp. That very thin coating does an amazing job af protecting the ramp for tens of thousands of rounds. After polishing they usually go a few hundred before being battered and ironically enough, start having the exact problem you just fixed. Unfortunately the warranty is now void.
    Don't take it personally. You are far from the first and certainly won't be the last to do it. I do wonder why you have had so many Bersas, more than I have had, if they're considered so low quality? You also said you're to busy to dick with a warranty on a cheap gun yet you will comb 8 years of forum posts looking for me being an a-hole and bringing up these weak examples. I've done WAAAY better. Just ask, the other mods and some of the older members can probably point you to some of the good ones from before I mellowed, lol. At my best I never achieved the success of our founder Michael, no one has ever started a competing forum for the express purpose of telling the world I'm an a-hole. We all even went and joined just to show our support[emoji4]. As my sig line reflects, I am now the kindest, most sensitive guy on the internet. [emoji56]

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