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    Maine Commission Moves to Ban Gender Specific Bathrooms, Sports Teams in Schools

    I don't even know where to begin on this one.......


    Diane Macedo

    - FOXNews.com

    - April 09, 2010
    Maine Commission Moves to Ban Gender Specific Bathrooms, Sports Teams in Schools

    The Maine Human Rights Commissions taking heat over a proposal to ban schools from enforcing gender divisions in sports teams, school organizations, bathrooms and locker rooms, saying forcing a student into a particular room or group because of their biological gender amounts to discrimination.

    The little girls' room won't be just for little girls anymore, if the Maine Human Rights Commission has its way.

    The commission is taking heat over a controversial proposal to ban schools from enforcing gender divisions in sports teams, school organizations, bathrooms and locker rooms. It says forcing a student into a particular room or group because of his or her biological gender amounts to discrimination.

    The issue came to light last year when the commission ruled that, under the Maine Human Rights Act, a school had discriminated against a 12-year-old transgender boy by denying him access to the girls' bathroom.

    Now the commission aims to issue guidelines on how schools should deal with similar situations in the future. It would make Maine the first state to implement such guidelines for schools as young as preschool and nursery -- and even some private schools.

    But not everyone in the state is on board with the current proposal.

    Some school districts and organizations have criticized the commission for making its initial ruling without getting enough input from conservative groups, and then for coming up with proposed guidelines in what some described as closed-door sessions.

    "The conservative side was never brought in on the discussion in the first place, if you look at who gave testimony, written testimony, etc., in the beginning,” Rev. Bob Celeste of Harrison told FoxNews.com. “When you only bring one side in, you’re not looking for an honest debate. You’re looking for an agenda.”

    Once it came time to vote on the guidelines, the commission again came under fire for not doing enough to inform Mainers of the vote, and for not allowing the public to speak at the hearing where it was held.

    “We found out about this hearing by accident. We were never informed of it,” said Celeste, who was the first person to speak out at the March hearing.

    “When I went to the hearing I expected to ask, ‘Why are they doing this?’ And they said that they weren’t going to have public hearings,” he said. “I said ‘Mr. Chairman, it’s getting late, when are we going to be able to ask questions?’ and he said, ‘You can’t.’”

    Celeste says he then walked out of the meeting, but other outraged citizens got very vocal after his departure and apparently persuaded the commission to postpone the vote.

    Now those critics are looking to get their voices heard again at a public hearing on the issue next month.

    "When we separate biology it gets very confusing for everyone," Mike Heath, president of the American Family Association of New England, told FoxNews.com. "Now we're talking about bathrooms where ladies will entertain the possibility of men being in the restroom with them, and every woman I've talked to has indicated that they wouldn't be comfortable with that."

    With the law affecting schools ranging from nursery level to post-doctorate studies, Heath says he's concerned with the ramifications of opening up "this can of worms," especially when it comes to younger students.

    “I get a little more upset with the topic when it touches on young children and what they’re going to have to think about and process,” he said.

    Critics seem especially concerned about the mixing of genders in bathrooms and locker rooms. The commission's proposal reads: "Transgender students must be allowed access to the bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity or expression or, if they prefer, to existing single-stall bathrooms."

    "There's not a whole lot of places a girl can expect privacy, but the bathroom should be one of them," said Celeste. "And there's not a whole lot of places a boy expects privacy, but the bathroom should be one of them. Married couples close the door when they go to the bathroom.”

    Ken Trump, President of National School Safety and Security Services, says the guidelines set out in the commission's draft brochure pose some serious safety issues as well.

    "If my kid walks into a girls' bathroom and sees a man in there, the child is going to instinctively feel that something’s wrong. If you create an entirely new climate where anything goes, you’re going to create increased confusion, and those with ill intentions could take advantage of that confusion and decreased ability to make a distinction," Trump told FoxNews.com.

    "The reality is, every day we’re seeing more and more cases of exploitation of children and others, and this would be creating an environment where the risk is increased for that exploitation."

    Because the commission suggests that people won't be obligated to supply medical documentation that proves they are transgender, Trump says the policy also paves the way for increased sexual activity on school grounds – both consensual and non-consensual.

    "Educators at the middle school level struggle every day in trying to keep student hormonal issues under control so that the focus can be on education," he said. "We certainly don’t need to create an environment to accelerate and exacerbate the issue and further the experimentation, the inappropriate comments, inappropriate touching, groping, grabbing, sexual assaults and in some cases, rapes in schools."

    Karen Kemble, the Director of Equal Opportunity for the University of Maine, says the university has not taken a position for or against the proposed guidelines, but she shared concerns over some of them, including schools' inability to ask for "proof" of sexual orientation.

    "This would leave the institution without any way to determine the bona fide nature of the gender identity or expression," Kemble said in a letter to the commission.

    "It is routine practice to seek documentation of non-obvious disabilities in the event of an accommodation request. Even in the case of religious accommodations, an employer may sometimes seek additional information regarding either the religious nature of the request or the sincerity of a particular belief," she added.

    As an NCAA institution, Kemble says the University of Maine system could also face many hurdles when it comes to incorporating the guidelines into its athletic program.

    "Some of the issues that we face are that the NCAA has rules that if we, for example, allowed a transgender student to participate in gender-segregated sport, then that may raise concerns about fairness and also may spark action by the NCAA, she said.

    "We certainly want to have a welcoming environment and are doing everything we can to support the right to gender identity and gender expression," she added.

    John Gause, counsel for the Maine Human Rights Commission, told FoxNews.com that the commission is still in the process of developing guidelines on how the Maine Human Rights Act "applies in the context of sexual orientation in schools and colleges."

    "A date and location for the public comment session will be finalized in the near future," he wrote in an e-mail.

    The commission said more information on the public hearing will be posted on its Web site once those details are finalized.

    Neither Gause nor the commission's executive director, Pat Ryan, returned follow-up e-mails and phone calls seeking a response to concerns raised over the guidelines.
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    #2
    I have tried three times to write an intelligent response to this, but I can't even come up with one, so instead I will just say...

    W T F ??

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      #3


      I really cannot believe this is being considered.... what about showers after gym class? coed?

      jesus these people are nuts

      i can see requiring a 'private' bathroom along side a mens and womens so that those not comfortable or who have other issues have somewhere where they can go... but coed??? really?????

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        #4
        Lets see I quit school in 9th grade think I move their and finish my education
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          #5
          Whats next? Just put a room with a big hole in the middle and say "have at it"

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            #6
            This needs to go in the joke section.
            It is right up there in quality with your "God & Eve" joke !
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              #7
              They say we are more like Europe every day and this bologna is a copy of France who have had open gender rest rooms for hundreds of years.

              I have spent my share of time sitting in a stall next to a woman in the next partition. I guess my only feeling of embarrassment was wondering how acute her olfactory senses were, and wishing she was deaf:) (they do serve rich escargot there)

              The men have it worse due to the women have to pass the open urinals to get to the partitions. Some of the newer places have separate rooms but only after you pass the open urinal area.

              I don't think this is the best for your young school children here in the U.S. to be subjected to, our culture is much different than that of Europe.
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                #8
                Originally posted by bcrtops View Post
                This needs to go in the joke section.
                It is right up there in quality with your "God & Eve" joke !
                Why thank you, bcrtops.

                Enough already, this child is 12 years old. He/she can use the restroom in the health office. I understand if that is an uncomfortable solution for this student, but really.

                If Maine follows through with this policy; it will cause chaos in schools. Can you imagine the sexual harassment lawsuits?

                And as for the gender specific sports teams, won't that negate Title IX? Or will it simply make Title IX obsolete? Somebody call Gloria Steinem.
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                  #9
                  How does a 12 year old know he is "transgendered" when he hasn't even completed puberty??

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                    #10
                    The wackos in this country are multiplying like rabbits. Has common sense completely gone by the wayside?
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                      #11
                      Brownsville Station will need to update their song to "Smoking in the Open Gender Rest Room". Don't think it'll have the same ring to it though.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by OysterMan View Post
                        Brownsville Station will need to update their song to "Smoking in the Open Gender Rest Room". Don't think it'll have the same ring to it though.
                        No, it won't have the same ring in the chorus... but but the verse tends to lend itself to parody, though...


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                          #13
                          The more I hear & read about it, the more I realize that the whole northeastern section of our country is a place to stay away from. It's a real shame too. I know that there are some really good folks up there, met some way back when I was in the army, & some are members of this board. Also, a lot of American history involving that area. But the wackos up there have disgraced the memory of heroes that gave their all to get this country started & the memories of those that have fought, bled & died to maintain it to date. They are spitting on their graves, including some buried in that area. Of course, they paid the price for these idiots to be able to do what they are doing.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by grworrall View Post
                            The wackos in this country are multiplying like rabbits. Has common sense completely gone by the wayside?
                            Yes it has.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by mitchr View Post
                              The more I hear & read about it, the more I realize that the whole northeastern section of our country is a place to stay away from. It's a real shame too. I know that there are some really good folks up there, met some way back when I was in the army, & some are members of this board. Also, a lot of American history involving that area. But the wackos up there have disgraced the memory of heroes that gave their all to get this country started & the memories of those that have fought, bled & died to maintain it to date. They are spitting on their graves, including some buried in that area. Of course, they paid the price for these idiots to be able to do what they are doing.
                              it's not just the northeast. it seems to me it's the whole darn country!!!!
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