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    CHICAGO wants national guard to police streets would think with all their gun control laws that gun violence wouldnt be a problem...atleast according to them and their reasons for having them right?
    well now these 2 state reps from chicago want to call in the national guard.
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    Two state representatives called on Gov. Pat Quinn Sunday to deploy the Illinois National Guard to safeguard Chicago's streets.

    Chicago Democrats John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford said they want Quinn, Mayor Richard Daley and Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis to allow guardsmen to patrol streets and help quell violence. Weis said he did not support the idea because the military and police operate under different rules.

    "Is this a drastic call to action? Of course it is," Fritchey said. "Is it warranted when we are losing residents to gun violence at such an alarming rate? Without question. We are not talking about rolling tanks down the street or having armed guards on each corner."

    What he envisions, Fritchey said, is a "heightened presence on the streets," particularly on the roughly 9 percent of city blocks where most of the city's violent crimes occur.

    Weis previously identified those "hot spots" and said he plans to create a 100-person team made up of selected and volunteer police personnel to respond to crime there. If guardsmen were to assist police, they could comprise or contribute to that force, Fritchey said.

    So far this year, 113 people have been killed across Chicago, the same number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in the same period, Fritchey said.

    "As we speak, National Guard members are working side-by-side with our troops to fight a war halfway around the world," Fritchey said. "The unfortunate reality is that we have another war that is just as deadly taking place right in our backyard." While the National Guard has been deployed in other states to prevent violence related to specific events and protests, the Chicago legislators said they are unaware of guardsmen being deployed to assist with general urban unrest.

    Weis countered that the only scenario in which the National Guard would be helpful is in the situation of a tornado, earthquake or flood. If the military were brought in to help with city violence, they wouldn't answer to police command -- creating a "major disconnect" in mission and strategy.

    Alluding to the 1970 Kent State University incident where the National Guard was called in and protestors and students were shot, Weis said having guardsmen handle crime could be "disastrous." But he said if the Daley suggested it, he would consider the option.

    "I'm open to anything that reduces violence. But I have concerns when you mix law enforcement and the military," Weis said.

    But Fritchey and Ford said prompt action is needed because summer is right around the corner and with the warm weather comes an increase in violence.

    Fritchey and Ford serve two different constituencies, representing the North Side and the West Side respectively. "One half of this city views this as a part of daily life," Fritchey said. "Another part of the city doesn't care because it doesn't affect them." Yet the lawmakers said they are coming together because gun violence should be a priority to all Chicagoans.

    "No help is too much help" Ford said. "This is not just about the murders. It's about the crime. It's about people being stabbed, robbed and in the hospital on life support."

    Fritchey said he spoke to representatives from Quinn's office about deploying guardsmen and they "seemed open to the idea." The lawmakers had yet to speak to Weis or the mayor's office.

    "I don't anticipate the governor implementing it over the objection of the mayor," Fritchey said.

    "I hope this doesn't become a territorial issue. I hope this doesn't become an ego issue. This isn't about public relations or politics. This is about reclaiming our communities."
    Barack Obama is the first politician I have ever known that has met or exceeded every one of my expectations. As bad as I thought he would be, I truly had no idea.

    Re: CHICAGO wants national guard to police streets

    Maureen Martin
    Chicago's gun ban ordinance was enacted in 1982 to stem increasing use of firearms in crimes in the city. From the beginning, the ordinance has been an utter failure in accomplishing that goal.

    The U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments Tuesday in a case brought by Chicago residents who want guns for self-defense but are barred by the ordinance from possessing them. Judging by the justices' questioning, a majority appeared to be leaning toward ruling the gun ban -- and Oak Park's similar ordinance -- unconstitutional. That is the right thing to do.

    The argument turned on constitutional niceties. The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, originally applied only to the national government. As time went on, various amendments were "incorporated" so they applied to the states as well--the First Amendment right to free speech, for example. The issue before the court is whether the Second Amendment should apply to the states and its municipal subdivisions. A ruling is expected in June.


    The home of the lead plaintiff in the case, Otis McDonald, 76, has been burglarized several times, and his life has been threatened. He wants to own a handgun for self-defense.

    He needs one. The number of murders committed with guns has soared in Chicago since the ordinance was enacted, as has the share of all murders committed with guns. In 1983, the first year the Chicago ordinance was in effect, 290 murders (39.78 percent of the total) were committed with handguns. That rose to 513 murders (60.21 percent) committed with handguns in 1990. In 2003, 442 murders (73.54 percent) were committed with handguns, and in 2008, 402 handgun murders were committed (78.67 percent).

    In the 25 years since Chicago's handgun ban was enacted, the number of murders committed with handguns dropped below 1983 levels in only four years (1984-87). All of these data are from the Chicago Police Department.

    McDonald says teenagers are common perpetrators of crime in his neighborhood, and he fears them. His fear is real. In 1983, just over 16 percent of the murders in the city were committed by individuals under 21 armed with guns, according to CPD statistics. By 1990 that percentage rose to 24.5 percent.

    In 1995 the share of murders committed by people aged 14 to 25 with any weapon rose to 72.4 percent, an all-time high. (Youth gun murders were not reported separately in police department analyses after 1990.) In 2008 the percentage of murders committed by individuals in that age group was 56.3 percent, according to police department data.

    In addition, police have no legal duty to protect individual citizens. As one Illinois court put it, such a duty "would put the police in the position of guaranteeing the personal safety of every member of the community."

    Even if there were such a duty, police can't protect everyone. In the past decade, the number of sworn and exempt personnel in the police department decreased slightly, from 13,484 in 1998 to 13,354 in 2008, the department reports. In that same decade the number of 911 calls increased from 3.8 million to 4.7 million. Thus police necessarily tend to respond to crimes after they have occurred.

    Ultimately, then, Chicagoans have to rely greatly on self-defense. The right to bear arms for self-defense has been recognized in England and here since the mid-1700s. We can hope this century, and this U.S. Supreme Court case, will bring its revival in Chicago.

    Maureen Martin, an attorney, is senior fellow for legal affairs at the Heartland Institute who wrote Heartland's amicus brief in the McDonald case.

    From The Detroit News:


      Re: CHICAGO wants national guard to police streets

      Originally posted by duke51 View Post
      In the past decade, the number of sworn and exempt personnel in the police department decreased slightly, from 13,484 in 1998 to 13,354 in 2008, the department reports. In that same decade the number of 911 calls increased from 3.8 million to 4.7 million. Thus police necessarily tend to respond to crimes after they have occurred.
      so then let John Q public have a gun and protect himself till the cops show up to do paperwork. it makes sense, eventually all the unemployed idiots commiting crime will either have a change in brain chemistry and look for less deadly employment or be cleansed from the gene pool altogether.
      save your brass, i'll take it!!

      brass and ammo donations accepted.


        Re: CHICAGO wants national guard to police streets

        Like they say "when seconds count, police are only minutes away." and it is not the police fault.